BGTD
77 posts
Jul 28, 2010
12:20 AM
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Some feel they don't need to use them, some do. I personally feel they are preferable on lip color (though not necessarily on lipliner). Just sort of trying get a feel on who uses them and what is typical "lip protocol" is as far as anesthetics go.
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Jane Adler
1184 posts
Jul 28, 2010
12:45 AM
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Nope, no, never. In fact in AZ it is illegal for a dentist to give any injections out side the scope of a dental procedure.
Tattoos hurt. We keep clients as comfortable as we can. If a client cannot buck up, they should not get it done.
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Stylishus
30 posts
Jul 28, 2010
8:08 AM
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In my experience (albeit it short so far)My clients are never in any real discomfort for Lipliner, and very little on full lip procedures. Just after finishing a clients' lipliner on Saturday, she wasn't even swollen. The use of a topical for 30 minutes, followed by Blue Gel as needed, provides the client more than enough comfort. I would think the use of a dental block might allow the PMU Artist to quite possibly overwork the lips. I take lip procedures nice and slow, knowing that I can see them 3 times if needed.In actuality, the real pain starts when they get home!!! It's a rare client who follows my instructions to keep their lip movements to a minimum,and by not doing so, create more pain for themselves.
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marti76
18 posts
Jul 28, 2010
10:06 AM
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I have a lip question, for anyone who can give me some input, it would be appreciated. I worked on a client/friend about 2 yrs. ago originally. I did a tu about 8 or 9 weeks ago. She is coming in for a little more on her eyes. Because she will be with me she feels why not just go over her lips again. She is happy, but just feels she might as well do them again, as long as we are together. Is there any contra indication to doing them again, at the 8/9 week window......that apt. is this Fri. so I would really appreciate some input on this!!!
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jackie blue
26 posts
Jul 28, 2010
10:07 AM
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Our family friend Dentist Sherry, stated she would never administer a full dental block & then let the patient leave her office.
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Maggie
1950 posts
Jul 28, 2010
12:54 PM
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I am not a fan of dental blocks. Dentists around here will rarely do them unless they are friends with their patients because of liability issues. Sometimes there is an area that does not take well and they seems super sensitive in that spot. Also I find that if I am not using Blue Gel, they are bleeding more. And finally, it is my observation that techs have badly overworked lips numbed with a dental block and I have been presented with the results...not a pretty picture.
To answer the question about the touch up - please don't do it unless it needs it...just her being there for another procedure is not a good reason to add more pigment to an area where the skin is so thin to begin with. We can only pack in so much over time. I think you already felt that way, otherwise you probably would not have posted.
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KatALyst
320 posts
Jul 28, 2010
3:43 PM
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When I apprenticed, our operatory was actually IN a dental office. Often clients would choose to pay $50 do have the Doctor do a dental block. (They would have to fill out a chart because they would be under his care.) Since they didn't have to leave his office at all, this proved quite handy. I would say that such an arrangement would not be out of his scope since no one was leaving his office immediately following his block.
Now, was it practical? At the time, I didn't know about BlueGel, so it was a fairly decent means of numbing up. That having been said, swelling was ALWAYS an automatic thing when they had the block, and almost always did the line need some tweaking after healing (even when we outlined it prior to them swelling.) Myself I think that it was about 1 out of 3 was glad they did it. Eventually we found that the needle shots were worse then the actually lip procedure.
After the expert I was apprenticing with kind of stopped working as often, I stopped going out of my way to recommend the dental blocks just because they were more hassle then worth it. And certainly now that I am out on my own, I do not recommend or need them at all. Obviously. (not in dental office anymore)
And about the extra touch up because its a 'friend', remember that the more you apply over an area, you risk pulling good color out. If the color hasn't faded since your last application (good use of before & after photos in the chart should help) then there is no reason to redo something. Also keeping in mind fever blister medicine, not to mention the icky healing. (Lips are my least fave to heal from personally...)
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~Kat, CPCP~
SPCP Member & Certified
Western KY
www.CosmeticBeautySalon.com
Last Edited on 28-Jul-2010 3:43 PM
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BGTD
78 posts
Jul 28, 2010
11:25 PM
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Awesome input! Thank you!
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frostellie
483 posts
Aug 02, 2010
2:42 PM
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I found a local dentist who is willing to do a block for $50. It just seems like a lot of hassle to me to get everyone's schedule just right and I have always worried that if the client could feel no pain at all, I could hurt them. I recommend against it to my clients. As has been said, it is not that painful. To me, the healing is a lot worse than the procedure.
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OKTat2Makeup
454 posts
Aug 14, 2010
9:41 PM
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I work in the land of dental blocks and injectable anesthetics b/c loophole laws. I work in a dental office to do my makeup b/c laws require my work in a dental/medical office. I stand firm....they are not necessary. They cause unnecessary swelling. Topical anesthetics work and work efficiently.
My clients often come to me as a result of having their makeup done previously by injectable anesthetics. They are ALWAYS pleasantly surprised how easy their experience is in my office as opposed to their previous experience.
I 100% say NO to injectables, and I stand firm on this even though they are easily accessible in my office.
Topical works, USE them.
Last Edited on 14-Aug-2010 9:45 PM
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Suz CPCP
4 posts
Sep 04, 2010
12:09 AM
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In the state of California several dentists have lost their licenses due to "helping out" permanent cosmetics artists by giving blocks. It is definitely outside the scope of their practice, EVEN if the permanent makeup procedure is performed in the dental office. This is in accordance to the California State Dental Practice Act.
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Ms. M
365 posts
Sep 04, 2010
9:43 AM
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I used to work in a physicans office where the physcian did the blocks. They were so annoying. I finally got the physician to wait until I at least got the lip liner on before he messed with my canvas and then ulimately I convinced him they were unnecessary. They create a false sense of security and woops you'll hit a spot where the numbing wasn't as effective and the client will jerk. It's also a great way to overwork the lip if you are not careful. I'm not for them at all.
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