DorrieAnn
65 posts
Feb 26, 2010
5:43 PM
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I'm wondering what the max is for you gals. My limit is three scheduled at three hour intervals. What are you all doing?
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Brandy
766 posts
Feb 26, 2010
6:01 PM
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Depends on what I'm doing. If it's say, brow touchups, I can do five per day. If it is first top and bottom eyeliner, then we schedule two or three touch ups that day as well. If it's all firsts, then about three per day, cause there's alot of talkin going on, splainin everything LOL.
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Maggie
1891 posts
Feb 26, 2010
6:25 PM
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Six procedures in a day max with no more than two new ones and no more than three to four individual clients. If three or four new procedures, then four is max but only three new clients. Four days a week.
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Lizzy
1056 posts
Feb 27, 2010
2:29 PM
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I am about at Brandy's speed when I am that busy. If they are all new clients then 3 in a day.I like to mix it up if I can. I would not book 3 new lips in one day,maybe 2 and a touch up.Same with new liner. Eyebrows I can do all day long.
I do have to pace myself for my back health.
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BGTD
44 posts
Feb 27, 2010
3:33 PM
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Yep it all depends on the treatment. Eyeliner, I'm in and and done in and hour max. Setup, topicals, post-procedure, everything. I've done 5 new eyeliners in a day with plenty of time time to spare. Brows and lips are different, I book new brows at 2 hours but probably really spend 30 minutes on each actually putting the ink in. The rest is chit chat and set up.
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Brandy
767 posts
Feb 27, 2010
8:28 PM
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In and out in an hour for top and bottom eyeliner, that's impressive. I've been tattooing for a very long time and I can't accomplish that with comfort.
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Lizzy
1057 posts
Feb 28, 2010
9:07 AM
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If I did 5 eyeliners in a day I would need 5 Martini's at night!
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KatALyst
264 posts
Feb 28, 2010
2:00 PM
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I LOVE this, girls. Really. I too like to spread my day pretty well too. Hey, I was out of town for almost two weeks, came back and ended up with February being my record month for ANY month since my transfer to Ky! (About 12 procedures) And I still only had 3 new ones and 1 touch up being my busiest day back to back in one day.
Seeing as we like to get our work done right, and don't charge just beans, but give our clients what we want, we can take the time to dedicate to each one without stressing ourselves out. (With exception of out-of-towners and busy times, etc.)
There is a tattoo shop down the street where the tech brags about getting an eyeliner client out the door in 15-20 mins. Really. I can't even get them numb in that short a time, although from what I've heard, she sits them out on a chair with the numbing on and tells them not to open their eyes, so that she doesn't have any down numbing time. Problem with that is that its very hard to tell a client to keep their eyes shut for 20 + min while they wait. I like to directly supervise when I'm numbing eyes, so I can make sure they are not tearing or having any problems.
Also I find it hard to believe you can have a comprehensive consultation with a client prior to working on them that's even less than 15 min.
So yeah, I'm proud of how we all like to take just a handful of quality clients a day. (with regard to new procedures, I know touch ups can be a quicker in and out.)
I second Lizzy's post, eyeliners wear me out. I did have a van load of ladies come down from 5 hours away once, and I had to do 6 eyeliners in one day. I felt like an assembly line manufacturing away...
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BGTD
45 posts
Feb 28, 2010
3:20 PM
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I used to use a three for eyeliner and it took forever and a day. The color never stayed. I would spend half the time putting color in and half the time taking it out.
I use a digital machine, and typically use a 7 for eyeliner. Sometimes a 5 or 6. I can shade with it I can line with it. Two passes each top and bottom, a little here and there and that's it, we're done. Clients love it and 65-75% of the color is still there when they come back in 30 days.
Believe it or not I was trained to do eyeliner using a coil with a single needle. It was the worst. Took about 2.5 hours to do both uppers and lowers and the clients could barely stand it. You had to talk them through the last 45 minutes generally.
I'm not trying to come across as Mr. Speedypro but honestly you're doing your client no favors if you're spending more than an hour on a new full eyeliner (assuming they are ready to go and in your chair). Topicals should take no longer than 15 minutes tops which leaves you with over 20 minutes per eye. Even if you're doing more than two passes (which you really shouldn't have to) that's puh-lenty of time in my opinion. I mean at least that's how I work. And it works for me.
I'd love to hear differing opinions on this. Assuming the client is all ready to go and in the chair, how much time are you ladies spending on a new upper & lower liner?
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new talent
24 posts
Feb 28, 2010
3:39 PM
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Could I ask which machine you use?
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Brandy
768 posts
Feb 28, 2010
4:21 PM
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I think the important thing here is how many procedures can you do safely, with minimum pain. Every client is different. If you have someone that is extremely nervous and their eyeball is doing the jitterbug and you have excessive tearing then common sense tells you it's going to take longer. Also those clients that do the clam shut squeeze are also more challenging. So one client may take an hour and another may take two.
I allow 15 minutes to numb and I discuss the procedure and let them know step by step what to expect before I do the numbing. I ask them if they have any questions and I go over them at that time. I find that when you are talking to someone with their eyes closed they have a tendancy to move their eyes balls or even open them with out thinking. So once the numbing is on I tell them to just quietly relax and I am with them all the time. I prefer not to numb the top and bottom at the same time, that's just my preference. I have done over 1000 eyeliner procedures and I have never had the numbing enter the eye or had a corneal abbrasion, thank God. I am always very careful of this. So my numbing time altogether would be 30 minutes, a few minutes for discussion then probably 1/2 hour for tops and 15-20 minutes for bottoms. This is best case scenario on those clients that lie there like cadavers (I just love those old souls). Time depends on several factors. Do they want just a lash enhancement, do they want thicker more dramatic eyeliner, do they wamt designer liner with more than one color?
Let's not turn this into a puppymill profession,but let us focus on client safety, comfort and precision work.
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BGTD
46 posts
Feb 28, 2010
5:31 PM
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Brandy-god point regarding client types. And you are absolutely 100% correct that safety is #1. I absolutely totally agree.
Question though: Do you use celluvisc prior to your topical? I apply my topicals right over the closed eyelid and at the top of the lash line. Never had any problems with cornea issues either.
One thing I do do is place a small piece of barrier tape over each eye. Why? Simple. It keeps them from opening them. I know there are many people that poo poo doing it this way, but again, never had any issues with it and it works really well.
Newtalent- I use a NC Intelligent. I don't use the "presets" really. I usually set it at a speed of between 150-170.
No to puppy mills!
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Eyeloveit
205 posts
Feb 28, 2010
5:36 PM
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My eyeliner appt are 2 hours. That includes the hello, get comfy, numb, procedure-slowly and precise, icing and after care. I do my consult ahead of time so they can call me or google their questions or concerns and it gives them time to be absolutely sure they want to move forward.
Eyeliners exhaust me. Especially the wiggly ones. I personally only do 2 a day. But, I have only been doing it 2 yrs and that is all mental concentration I want in one day. Because I still concentrate so hard.
I soooo am with Lizzy on the 5 a day=5 martinis
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ZFunnyGirl
94 posts
Feb 28, 2010
8:40 PM
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BGTD: I'm trying to imagine the barrier tape over the eye but am not seeing it correctly, as I can't see how you can access the subject areas; can you please explain?
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BGTD
47 posts
Feb 28, 2010
10:24 PM
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http://www.dermalsource.com/pdfs/dermal_Occlusion.pdf
One over each eye (area).
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Brandy
769 posts
Feb 28, 2010
10:52 PM
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Gee I'm pretty sure that occluding the eye is a big no no. Occluding causes heat and can liquify the topical and make it seep into the eye.
Maggie, Jane, Liza?
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Maggie
1892 posts
Mar 01, 2010
3:24 AM
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The occlusion reference states for all areas except the eye. I don't us a pre deadener on the eye anyway but if I did, Brandy's argument is pretty strong.
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BGTD
48 posts
Mar 01, 2010
5:18 AM
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Pro Plus (for example) is pH to the cornea. I'll have to check with the author regarding eyeliner occlusion with topicals as Ive sen her do it personally.
Last Edited on 1-Mar-2010 5:24 AM
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Jane Adler
1146 posts
Mar 01, 2010
10:56 AM
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NEVER EVER occlude eyes!
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ZFunnyGirl
95 posts
Mar 01, 2010
12:28 PM
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i learned to do so for eyebrows but not eyes (for eyeliner); that's why i was a bit confused, BGTD.
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OKTat2Makeup
424 posts
Mar 01, 2010
3:45 PM
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Occluding the eye and doing these procedures in an hour max? For real? That seems a bit rushed and scary.
Clears throat and edit my earlier post as to not come off abrasive.
Last Edited on 1-Mar-2010 7:15 PM
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Eyeloveit
207 posts
Mar 02, 2010
11:08 AM
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Occluding the eye is a no, no...does melt the numbing agent. I am Backing all the previous no,no posts on this.
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Eyeloveit
208 posts
Mar 02, 2010
11:15 AM
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BTW, another note on quicky in and out procedures. When I did an observation of another local PMU artist while I was in training I thought I was trained wrong because she did this ladies eyeliner in 30 minutes. And I mean in the door and out the door in 30 minutes. Top and bottom liner. It looked like she just rubbed the needle back and forth a little on the top and a little on the bottom. I went back to my class and my trainer said "Oh Dear". I was trained to move slow as to get that pigment in and for saftey. I feel sorry for the locals clients. They are paying all that money and not going to have hardly any ink implanted. It pays to follow the best and the SPCP trainers. This Local was trained by a lady who just bought a machine and has had no fundamental training. She belongs to no organizations. That scares me. So thankful that I found a trainer that introduced me to the SPCP. I really do mean Lucky Me, there are a lot of people practicing that don't know anything about the SPCP.
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Maggie
1894 posts
Mar 03, 2010
6:04 AM
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Had trouble remembering where this was since this thread went off in another direction which is a no, no...Liza would not be happy, LOL.
Here is something that got passed to me directly from Mary Jane...
I do place a piece of barrier film lightly from their forehead down over the eye to their cheek so that it creates a shade for the eyes and lightly touches their lashes in the event they attempt to open their eyes. It has prevented people from getting anesthetic in their eyes from accidentally opening their eyes while they prepare for the procedure. There is air all around. So yes, I put barrier film over each eye, but don't push it down or occlude it like you would an anesthetic. It floats over their eyes.
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frostellie
429 posts
Mar 03, 2010
9:20 AM
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I always tell people to allow 2 1/2 hrs for liner and 2 hrs for brows. I use a 5 slope (digital) needle for liner which I use both up and down and across. I can get a lot of detail in the corners that way also by using the slope on the corner for a #1. For brows and lips I use the neo tat liner and shader. My liner may take a little longer this way, but I like the corners to match perfectly. I'm not suggesting that anyone else do it this way, but I've tried several other ways and this works best for me. I always estimate my time on the outside so I won't have clients waiting. I never know when I'm going to get someone whose skin does not take easily, lots of tearing, or super sensitivity. I don't dawdle, but I am an artist and I am not going to concern myself with speed too much. Time is a consideration of course, but it's not priority to me right now. My clients appreciate it. MJ did my liner recently and that's exactly how she used the barrier film. Good explanation.
Last Edited on 3-Mar-2010 9:26 AM
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BGTD
49 posts
Mar 03, 2010
2:45 PM
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Case rested.
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LiZa
3545 posts
Mar 10, 2010
5:21 PM
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"Liza would not be happy"
LOL Maggie. how true
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LiZa
3561 posts
Mar 16, 2010
7:20 AM
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I used to back 'em up... as many as i could in a day.
NOW.. i'm wiser.
Three.
I take a 12 noon, a 2pm and a 4pm, four days a week.
My life is so much smoother.
"whats your choice? noon, two or four?"
simple!!
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