faith38
6 posts
Jun 05, 2009
4:08 AM
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hi girls~
what kind of sharpies are you all using? i have tried them and the ink will not go on the skin?? any suggestions?
thanks!
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LiZa
3434 posts
Jun 05, 2009
8:48 AM
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you are probably putting it over product.... like perhaps numbing agent. the skin much be de-fatted with alcohol or witch hazel and allowed to dry before your fine tip sharpie or pilot pen with mark the skin.
i'm talking brows and lips. no alcohol on eyelids please.
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scouser1
125 posts
Jun 05, 2009
9:32 AM
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Faith - I use the Letraset "Tria" marking pens - they're great - each pen has three different nib sizes, very fine to broader. They're made in England but most art places carry them and some tattoo supply companies. (I think you can get them on Ebay), but Liza is correct as it happened to me when I didn't wipe off the numbing gel enough and then the marking pen wouldn't absorb, so you have to really have a clean, dry surface and then they work great and stay on beautifully while you're working.
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Maggie
1699 posts
Jun 05, 2009
1:45 PM
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Since felt tip markers or pens cannot be disinfected, they are single use so I like to spend less and order my favorite roller ball pens from Quill.com a dozen in a box. Precise by Pilot V-5 extra fine gel pens. They flow really well and will last several passes. I get red for lips and I keep a few black ones around for the occasional exotic flared eyeliner I like to mark out ahead of time.
If you put them on too heavily and use alcohol as a skin prep, I should caution you that the color will stay on actually too well so you might want to be cautious for lips, for example.
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bpretty
65 posts
Jun 06, 2009
9:24 PM
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I only use the regular eyebrows and eyeliners pencil after clean the skin with alcohol wipe. I also use alcohol on the eye lid for eyeliner prep by rolling the Qtip onto a piece of alcohol wipe, then lift-up their eyelid, then gently & quick clean over it (not on the wet-line). I never have any problem get into the client's eye because it dries right before I let go their eyelid.
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frostellie
337 posts
Jun 07, 2009
10:06 PM
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I use a fine brush and paint on the pigment to mark my template.
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new talent
23 posts
Jun 11, 2009
7:00 PM
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If you use Sharpie or purple Surgical marker..what do you guys use to remove it?
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KatALyst
102 posts
Jun 13, 2009
12:26 PM
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Remove it? Hm. My experience, I get at BEST two or three passes tops and after wiping and applying the awesome aqua-colored numbing gel, it is GONE. On its own. That's why I use sharpies. Otherwise, any pencils, pigment, etc., is long gone after the first past. Some of it even smears when I stretch over them to work on one section. Sharpies at least don't move that much. But yeah, two or three passes tops, even with a BLACK felt tip (not even the fine one) and its gone. Can't vouch for the surgical ones though, since I have never used that. Those are the purple ones, right?
I have to do more than one pass. Sometimes they aren't nearly numb enough for the first pass (even despite 30 mn w/ prenumber) so I can just go real light to open the skin up, and then apply the awesome aqua-colored numbing gel, and by the next pass they are more numb and I can actually get the color IN the skin. Without my sharpy lines, I would be hung out to dry. Although sometimes I will look at them with the mirror and make minor adjustments to see if it 'needs' something more, dab with a toothpick a little pigment to see if it needs it there, and if I feel like it needs that extra small little something to make it perfect, than I will take my machine and go over it. If not, I wipe the pigment off and see if I doesn't need that little something extra... That's how I do it anyway...
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~Kat, CPCP~
SPCP Member & Certified
Western KY
www.CosmeticBeautySalon.com
Last Edited on 13-Jun-2009 12:28 PM
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lipkisslips
9 posts
Jun 16, 2009
4:54 PM
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I like the idea of sharpies but don't like to toss them each time, so I have just used the pigment put on with an extra fine microbrush. Works well but I do wish it would stay on past my first marking.
I paint it on and then make a marking pass with my dry needles then numb for about 5 more minutes then get in there and get things done.
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KatALyst
112 posts
Jun 17, 2009
6:55 AM
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I buy a 12 pk at office depot of red for my lips and black for the eyebrows. It is worth it to not have to guess where my lines are. However, I work at a spa that covers all the costs of operation.
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~Kat, CPCP~
SPCP Member & Certified
Western KY
www.CosmeticBeautySalon.com
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Layney
10 posts
Aug 14, 2009
5:22 PM
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new talent,
gel hand sanatizer will remove sharpie and surgical marker ink. Just use a small amount on a micro brush or those tiny tooth-pic/ q-tip thingies.
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Krystal67
17 posts
Aug 14, 2009
6:18 PM
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So, with the sharpie do you "dot" your eyebrow template - or actually "draw a solid line" all the way around? Just curious what others are doing - I dot because I use the blue surgical marker, and if there is any residual color it really distracts from the brow - but I'm going to give the sharpies a try!!
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KatALyst
157 posts
Aug 15, 2009
8:59 PM
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I actually featherstroke with my sharpie something similar to what the eyebrow will be. It also looks less scary then a solid brow in black. Although sometimes if I have to keep tweaking the shape a little, it gets more solid then some. But the first pass with the machine is a real light one (until they get more numb with the blue color numbing gel) and after one or two passes, the marker is just a very faint guide so I can see what my real color in the skin is doing. Since I numb almost after each pass, it does not take long at all for the sharpie to get gone. That's why I've stopped using pretty brown markers and just have stuck with the black.
Just a question to throw out there, with black marker pigment on the skin, is it possible to implant some of that dark pigment mixed with the actual pigment? Is it a possibility that they will permanently retain it? That's why I don't go real deep on the first two passes, just enough to get my guidelines, wipe, and then get pure color in. So that's a caution possibly to keep in mind so you are not surprised about color.
But its what has been working for me so far.
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~Kat, CPCP~
SPCP Member & Certified
Western KY
www.CosmeticBeautySalon.com
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Lizzy
984 posts
Aug 16, 2009
11:34 AM
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I use alcohol to degrease the skin first then design my brow, dot around the border then remove some of the pencil. I then lightly scratch the interior apply a blue gel or prenumb then let them sit while I load my machine.By the time I'm done they are good and numb.
It takes a little more time but I used that routine when I first started and have not been able to break it yet.
I was trained originally to just use my penciled brow as a guide but my trainer used vasoline over that (?)and I was afraid of loosing my perfect brow design that I just spent a half an hour on.(hey, I was new)
I remember my first brow, I could see the design melting with the vasoline as my client was having a hot flash.
I plan on trying just the pencil again, without the vasoline!
Lizzy
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