WOOOW, I did it...I really did it...I read them all...all 47 pages of this forum :0)

Its Sunday and i been up since yesterday 5am reading....and just couldnt stop. I came on for one answer and found many more. And as a Veteran forum family member on a few other boards, i know exactly how it is to have newbies walking in with questions while putting no effort to research their answers first.

And I could quickly see you chica's simply dont play anyone coming up in here disrespecting the place....hahah, Im cracking up over that whole "eyeshadow DVD fiasco"...hahahah, a few of yaw tore some 2 ladies a new one.....lol
2 days of reading your names, post, ideas gave me quite the feeling on everyones personality...i feel like i know alot of you already...It was like a long long.....long book i couldnt put down....one long cross country road trip. And I must say, Im am around the corner from fainting Im so tired and hungry. I litterally havent been up no more then to use the rest room...i know insane.. righ?

Well let me stop yapping and introduce myself for peets sake....

Im Sky, ....a celeb/roadtour/concert makeup artist...and bit of a free spirited /yogi...and I comes in PEACE!! I SWEAR!!

Put down your weapons!...I bring you NO harm..

lol, No really, I completely 100% RESPECT your craft and your caution that you vets display. I truly hate to see what the greedy a## copycaters have done to your industry. I know how you feel, It happened to me within my industry too. Dang ebay!! >:(
Ya gotta luv'm but then ya hatem too!

That site ruined alot of business for me within my lace wig enterprise and the market was replaced with ALOT of cheap rip off immitations direct from China >:(

aaaanywhooooo...Im tired and apparantly rambling, my bad.

Just wanted to introduce myself real fast before delving into questions and just wanted to say hey! and THANKS to all of you who inputed these 47 pages plus...

Ladies, i am soooo a finatic about my brows...they are my face anchor..Im like Samson when it comes to my hair and my brows..seriously, when their down and out, i am too. Since highschool, Ive been notorious for my wide full brows. I like to wear them exotic and kinda Eastern Ethnic...why so full?? Well, other then Black, Im part Indian (as in India) and part Irish, and so you can kinda see where my love for full dark brows may come from.

Both of my cultures are pretty notorious for big dark brows. So, I cant fight against the machine...its in the genes! Now my natural hair color is red and i do have brown freckles a little too...but my brows are not red, they were born thick, dark and naturally arched. But Im 32 and they are actually getting thinner...NOOOOOO!! Yeah, they are... Their looking abit lighter and i hate this...and Im very tired of filling them in because I waste large amounts of time on my brows now, i never had to fill them in this much.

So, I decided to get them tatted on and be done with it for ever. ONLY most techs are NOT gonna be as particular as me about MY brows. Aaaaand they dont seem to have large eye brow stencils for my wide brows. Just lil skinny ones. I really really dont like that serious shaded in "painted" stencil look for my face at all. My brows would look extremely overpowering and fake if they were shaded in too much. Im veeeeery particular about the shade of brown and the depth of shade i add to them. You have to be very careful or else you will have eye brows like oscar the grouch very quickly...so rightfully so, im a lil O.C.D when it comes to getting them just right and to look natural to any criticle eye. I just dont think a tech who isnt a true makeup artist first can deliver the best results...
I just cant trust anyone to do it, so Ima just do it myself..I do my ownmakeup and any other beauty procedure to save myself cost and headache. I dont do the publics what so ever...no thank you.

Im a makeup artist and a instructor in the world of hair and makeup and 90% of my beauty therapy techniques were self taught. So I can do it i believe..and if nothing else, at least it will keep me from killing a tech who might have jacked up my brows...lol

ok, my question FINALLY ....what do you ladies suggest I uses to create a single strand hair look at the corners of my brow?? I was thinking the manual tool was best. Jane, you really sound like you make a mean brow and I keep reading that manual instaments work best for a more custum look and feel. Maybe like a artist and her paintbrush kinda feel?
I reeeeally wanna re-creat small clusters of hair strands to add on to my own. My brows just need filling in slightly. But in the very right places. If i have to do only 3 strands a day, im determined to get this right.
Hopefully it will look half as good as a few of you and your artistic work. (luv the portfolio Liza...wow)

ok, enough exhausted rambling...Here is the look im going for...

Megan Fox has my eye brows to a Tee, Im trying to get back to this. I just need a little fill in but its the corner hair strokes Im wondering about...

WHATS THE BEST TOOL THAT WILL HELP ME PERFECT THIS PARTICULAR HAIR STROKE LOOK? ANYONE HAVE AN OPINION ON WHAT INTRUMENT THEY" MIGHT USE OR PREFER, IF SAY A CLIENT WERE TO WALK IN WITH MEGAN FOX PHOTO??

LASTLY, WHAT LI PIGMENT COLOR IS THIS SHADE OF BROWN???

Oh wow, the face of an angel VOTED THE WORLDS MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMAN....by golly, i think they got it right this time!! This is the hottest act in the game. i would trade a face and a limb of her choice just for her 1 face..man!

This is the lash look We all LOVE. Mines are extremely curly and hard to wear fake lashes. But her lashes are CRAZY! Bananas!

When im doing my brows, much like hers, I shadow in part of the brow toward the middle and the back and then sorta spruce out my inner corner brow hairs and pick them apart to make it as super natural as possible. Im striving to perfect this look via PMU ((Due to their size, i am wanting to avoid any marker or drawn on affect to my brows if that is at all possible.))

Heres are her brows a lil more "cleaned" up...(not my fav version of her brows though, a lil to mechanical for me :/

Here are my brows now...I desire this look only a lil less thick of course.

I also like this model who's sportin' the thicker version of a sexy blond brow too! So for those who thought the broad brow was out...not so :o)

Thanks for any help or feedback ladies, take care!

Sorry for lack of spell check and the terrible repeated abuse of the dot dot dots "...."

Just my 2 cents. Find someone that knows what they are doing and let them do their job! I am trying to not be rude, however, thinking you can just pick up and do your own is ........

Color theory needs to be respected, not advised over the internet. Youneed to know what happens to ethnically rich skin such as yours. this is not a topical application (like make-up). Its seen under the tinted window of *your* skin.

Invest in the best artist available in your area.

Most of here are committed to a code of professional ethics (SPCP) that would not (ever) allow us to instruct you on this self-application.

It is truly great that you read the archives. you will be a very informed consumer, but you missed one of the biggest points of all. It takes a long time to get really artful and precise with permanent makeup. You need to pay an expert for their expertise - just as you wold wish in your own niche of the industry. Do some consultations - you know what you want. You'll be a good judge whether the shoe fits when you meet the right tech/artist & view their portfolio & chat with them.

It is fine if women all would be having Botox and brow lifts but I want to always be sure I can add more here and there when I need to. I also try very hard not to do eyebrows on young people unless they really, really need it.

Over the years they are going to have a lot of touch ups - just how much pigment will the skin take? This is why I am all about using washes of darker colors for background support in brows like hers - less is more in my opinion and this puts in far less pigment into the skin.

Please know that we are not trying to deny you information, or that we are being industry-selfjish by not sharing tools choices or pigment choices with you. Truth is, we have enough supposedly trained people out there messing faces up, and you are asking us to help you mess up your own! All the procedures you mention that you have done so far do not compare to the permanency nor to the skill levels required to do beautiful permanent makeup work.

You mention stencil sizes. I am aware some use stencils. Many do not. The level of artistry you desire will more likely be found in a stencil-less studio. It will likely be found with someone who uses freehand artistry (albeit possibly with some definitive measuring) to design and execute brow procedures.

The rest of the story is as you heard from others here. Our name is on your face when we do your work. We, as well as you, must live with the results, and we do our job looking into the future as well as into the mirror. Our work must meet ethical criteria and esthetic standards.

Where permanent makeup studios adhere to those standards and ethics, you will be safe, but you may not get exactly what you are looking for. If I were to allow my clients to dictate my standards, we would all be unhappy afterwards. I refuse to work on many clients whose desires I consider 'out of bounds.' That said, I think a consultation with a an artistic, experienced permanent makeup technician is in order. Good luck to you.