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agnieszka 7 post s 7-Mar-2008 11:25 PM	I worked on this client few days ago. She needs to came back for second visit, I see that now. It is my first smudge eyeliner after class with Pat. I'm new to LI pigments. Do you think using khaki halo was the right choice ( she has quite reddish blue lids)? Somebody did her eyeliner 5 months ago with Biotek pigment. Please give me your critics , opinions, suggestions...thanks. Top of her lids got very bruised, I don't know why it looks orange on this picture. Last Edited on 8-Mar-2008 8:21 AM
Maggie 1373 post s 8-Mar-2008 5:48 PM	holy cow!!! I never see bruising like that - she must be extra sensitive or something. What did you use on her? I would love to see how it heals in.
LiZa 2748 post s 8-Mar-2008 7:17 PM	she had nothing to start with, no color in the lashes or above. i think it looks great. when i do halo-ing, i usually have a little line of brusing like that, and the following morning it's quite swollen, a cold pack is necessary, i even send one home with them, but the bruise will be gone by the next evening. part of what happens is, the halo's are so dilute, we see the red skin behind it whereas a liner color--dark--we dont see 'through'. i love it, i think you did a good job. the only thing i would do differently is i would do her Upper lash enhance (ULE) and her eyeliner top and bottom and THEN when she comes back for her focus I would put in her halo, cos that poor gal had nothing left from the previous. chances are you will need to replace a bit- and have to bring your EL up a little and re-establish your halo. all in all, i think you did great. I'll have to watch Mags sometime, cos I usually get some bruising when working higher up on the lid with those translucent colors. Liza Sims www.cosmetictattoo.com LIPigments US Distributor Wake Up with Makeup ALASKA 907-561-3937
agnieszka 8 post s 8-Mar-2008 8:15 PM	Thanks Liza!!! You absolutely right. I need to intensify eyelash enhancement and eyeliner and I need to finish ma taper o the especially on the lower part, will do on the focus visit. Maggie, I use Dermal Source for numbing ( T-zone, Blue Gel). Pigments: LI Ebony Brown and drop of Midnight Black for upper eyelash enhancement, Ebony brown eyeliner, Khaki Halo. She had upper and lower blepharoplasty done 8 months ago. Her Lids show more vascularity (red-violet color) and blood capillaries are very delicate (bruising). My problem is, after eye job, their corners are rounded, pulled in and more separated. It's hard to establish nice outer line...any tricks? Last Edited on 8-Mar-2008 8:17 PM
Maggie 1375 post s 9-Mar-2008 8:34 AM	Sorry, I meant to say what needles? Certainly you can see red areas through tattooing when doing shading work which it is why even with black diluted out it appears brownish but I don't get bruising like that on non-needled areas. Maybe what we are seeing has been tattooed??
LiZa 2749 post s 9-Mar-2008 1:08 PM	yeah i think thats it maggie. hon, your corners are fine. theres going to be some focus work here, ahhhh if only it stayed like this...but alas... you never want to get those corners out too far, so you are right ON, being conservative until you see the healed result. ok, i have to go on a rant on another thread. bye ---------- Liza Sims www.cosmetictattoo.com LIPigments US Distributor Wake Up with Makeup ALASKA 907-561-3937
agnieszka 9 post s 9-Mar-2008 1:51 PM	Meggie, I used Infinity machine,TKL #3 loose needle Last Edited on 9-Mar-2008 4:50 PM
frostellie 239 post s 9-Mar-2008 5:58 PM	Very nice!
Lizzy 693 post s 10-Mar-2008 8:25 AM	I think they will look great. I wish I had some younger blood to try it out on. My Khaki halo didn't look Khaki until it healed. Love it. Lizzy
Maggie 1380 post s 11-Mar-2008 6:28 AM	3 - loose? I am not understanding the point in that. We all know single needles cause trauma to the skin, correct? I use them for certain things regardless, but I know that my three liner needle is going to create less trauma because it is a nice little tripod going into the skin evenly so there is less trauma because it is balanced out. By spreading the needle on the 3, it is essentially like tattooing with three single needles at once. Triple the trauma. Also, by spreading the needles, debris, etc. gets caught in the middle and eventually makes for poor penetration. If shading is desired, then shading needles should be used. These do not have the long taper, although I imagine in a pen style machine there is no availability of these types of needles.
Deborah Hern 139 post s 11-Mar-2008 11:37 AM	I use a 5 round to shade with that little infinity..and have very good results....but please ladies let's not get so high and mighty that we say we never trama anyone... unless you follow them home and get a look them the following day you are simply fooling yourself! Our goal is penatration without trama and that should be the rule ...but there are some people out there that bruise if grab their arm...(snowhite)...let alone tattoo a lid... lovely work...you'll get better and better..love that Pat C....Deborah Last Edited on 11-Mar-2008 11:39 AM
Maggie 1381 post s 11-Mar-2008 12:29 PM	I am not necessarily sure I should take offense to your comments but it is not being high and mighty to state how to avoid trauma. Technically, yes, we create trauma just by the insertion of the needle but there is a difference between normal expectations and what I would consider as trauma. Maybe you are not used to anything else. I can't say. And I don't need to follow my clients home either because they are completely fine the next day other than a bit puffy in the morning if their procedure was late in the day before. In twenty years I have never seen eyeliner bruising. I work on people on Coumadin and still get no bruising. Maybe because I have an exceptionally light touch using sumi inks. The eyelid tissue is exceptionally thin - it doesn't take a lot to get pigment in with the right equipment and technique. I also prefer to do more touch ups than traumatize the eyes - you cannot take that risk with carbons. Last Edited on 11-Mar-2008 12:31 PM
Deborah Hern 140 post s 11-Mar-2008 2:16 PM	So glad you are not offended ..of course that is not my intent..I'm with Liza on this...I do not think it is too much trama for that amount of halo work. I have a drawer full of diffrent machines and lots of years of experience too! Your point on a light touch is an important one. Shorting the needle length and a slower machine maybe helpful too! Now... if you are telling me you have never had trama on a lined and shaded eyelid in twenty years...You are high and mighty and would like to sign up for any class you teach.....Deborah
Maggie 1382 post s 11-Mar-2008 3:25 PM	Well sign on the dotted line then, lol. I don't get bruising - swelling, yes. Not bruising. Remember, I don't use pen machines and also, I don't pull my needles back into the tube because I never work off the tube, only the needle tip. I work fast for shading with a diluted pigment and a large needle grouping. Slowing down is great for more coverage for a liner.
Deborah Hern 141 post s 11-Mar-2008 3:41 PM	Maggie , what kind of machine do you use??? Deborah
Maggie 1383 post s 11-Mar-2008 6:07 PM	For years I was a coil machine user - still have many that I pick up now and again when my body doesn't ache (which is rare) so I pretty much exclusively use the Neo Tats. They use all the coil tubes and needles I have grown to love over the years.
Brandy 435 post s 11-Mar-2008 6:55 PM	I use a coil machine and I can honestly say that I very rarely get briusing. This is a lady I did today. She wanted dramatic eyeliner. I used LI ebony/brown for the liner and added Khaki halo on top. Her liner is quite thick, she is in her early sixties and she has very little swelling and no bruising. Last Edited on 11-Mar-2008 8:13 PM
stylist 176 post s 11-Mar-2008 7:22 PM	Will I ever be that good? I love this work, just when I am feeling good about my work ,you guys show this . How am I ever going to compete with that, Very nice Brandy, and yes I have seen some of that kind of bruising with some of my clients. They say it goes away pretty quick though. So I just assumed it was their health or skin or both( Not that I work on the poor in health)lol.I can't wait to get to Houston, Who all is going? Nancy
Jane Adler 856 post s 11-Mar-2008 7:31 PM	Brandy you rock! ---------- Jane Adler, CPCP Facial Art by Jane SofTap® Distributor OSHA Outreach Instructor http://www.janeadler.com
agnieszka 11 post s 11-Mar-2008 8:18 PM	Hello Ladies ! Thanks for all your response. As I mentioned , it is my first smudge eyeliner after class. I hope with time I will be able to improve my technique. I called client yesterday and she told me, that bruising was gone within 3 days and she loves her eyes...Her sister and friend have appointments in in 4 weeks... Brendy your work is exquisite. I'm so looking forward to meet you all in Huston!!! Last Edited on 11-Mar-2008 9:59 PM
lindirose 3 post s 28-Mar-2008 7:14 PM	I am a little confused on long tapers vs short, bullet, shader and so forth. I purchased a neo-tap and really love how quickly the color implants, the low cost of disposable supplies and it's quietness! What a dream, compared to the Shappire 2000! I am using (usually) a #3,5,7 and textured 9 round tapered. When is a bullet, or shader used? What is exactly going on with the making of a tattoo needle that makes my choice of needles confusing. I have tried to research on the web, but I am still confused. What do you mean by short and long taper? Thanks for being here for us! All of you! ---------- ladybug
LiZa 2781 post s 29-Mar-2008 12:08 AM	lindirose, your question here regarding needles is off topic, so i am taking it to a new thread of its own. to anyone answering lindirose needle questions, please do so on "needles, tapers etc" thanks. it's very helpful to readers if we keep threads to one topic.